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	<title>Comments on: Is There A Need For End-To-End ExtJS to Microsoft Server (MVC-C#, LOB) 4 Day Class? (Poll Enclosed)</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 00:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested in such a class as I am focusing on the exact same technologies.  Although I think my first choice would be videoes, followed by book, followed by a class (just for the convenience).  What if you worked through PluralSight or some other existing training company to make videos?  I hope you make it happen.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in such a class as I am focusing on the exact same technologies.  Although I think my first choice would be videoes, followed by book, followed by a class (just for the convenience).  What if you worked through PluralSight or some other existing training company to make videos?  I hope you make it happen.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Elvia Papandrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elvia Papandrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very superior post. I just stopped by by your website and needed to state that I&#039;ve really enjoyed  browsing your posts. Any approach, I’ll be subscribing to your RSS feed and also I hope you submit again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very superior post. I just stopped by by your website and needed to state that I&#8217;ve really enjoyed  browsing your posts. Any approach, I’ll be subscribing to your RSS feed and also I hope you submit again soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - any updates on this?  Do you have anything you can share with your MVC/Ext/LINQ/EF methodoology?  We also use MVC and Ext and are heavily service based.  But we have not been able to go 100% JS on the client and 100% service based on the server.  I&#039;m interested in what you have come up with through your years of practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8211; any updates on this?  Do you have anything you can share with your MVC/Ext/LINQ/EF methodoology?  We also use MVC and Ext and are heavily service based.  But we have not been able to go 100% JS on the client and 100% service based on the server.  I&#8217;m interested in what you have come up with through your years of practice.</p>
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		<title>By: LOVE_MOSS_NOT</title>
		<link>http://peterkellner.net/2010/05/04/lob-training-poll-using-extjs-dotnet-aspnet-mvc/#comment-28381</link>
		<dc:creator>LOVE_MOSS_NOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second this approach as it truly separates layers. I tend to have the hardest time enticing people to try this approach as for some reason or another Microsoft has done a pretty good job at convincing a good bunch that inheriting from WebControl is best practice

Big sigh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second this approach as it truly separates layers. I tend to have the hardest time enticing people to try this approach as for some reason or another Microsoft has done a pretty good job at convincing a good bunch that inheriting from WebControl is best practice</p>
<p>Big sigh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DotNetWise</title>
		<link>http://peterkellner.net/2010/05/04/lob-training-poll-using-extjs-dotnet-aspnet-mvc/#comment-28282</link>
		<dc:creator>DotNetWise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 08:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s going on? Will this ever happen or was just some wasted time pooling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s going on? Will this ever happen or was just some wasted time pooling?</p>
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		<title>By: ilia</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, of course there is a need for this! Obviously!!!

In a World that is about to be dominated by Silverlight, people have the rights to know that there are better options.

However, I see some walls that needs to be broken here..

Developers most likely won&#039;t pay for learning technology before they hired to use it. So until it&#039;s not wide spread, somebody will need to convince corporate fathers who would be willing to pay at least for your expenses. 

Skipping embracing disclaimer that I have lousy marketing skills, I&#039;d suggest real-time demonstration of the client (ExtJS) application being deployed to any (better 3 or 4 from different providers) of the cell phone devices. Better straight to server so the audience can download it next second for the test drive.

Also, I want to ask you to clarify, 

1. what is your target audience?
2. Why they want to hear about it?
3. What are the time frames they can have this knowledge delivered if enough demand exists?
4. Is is supposed to be some kind of secret seminars for people who are making millions next day and that&#039;s why it cost so much or is it more like to cover expenses kind of price?

On a side note, I have a feeling that videos will be stolen next day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, of course there is a need for this! Obviously!!!</p>
<p>In a World that is about to be dominated by Silverlight, people have the rights to know that there are better options.</p>
<p>However, I see some walls that needs to be broken here..</p>
<p>Developers most likely won&#8217;t pay for learning technology before they hired to use it. So until it&#8217;s not wide spread, somebody will need to convince corporate fathers who would be willing to pay at least for your expenses. </p>
<p>Skipping embracing disclaimer that I have lousy marketing skills, I&#8217;d suggest real-time demonstration of the client (ExtJS) application being deployed to any (better 3 or 4 from different providers) of the cell phone devices. Better straight to server so the audience can download it next second for the test drive.</p>
<p>Also, I want to ask you to clarify, </p>
<p>1. what is your target audience?<br />
2. Why they want to hear about it?<br />
3. What are the time frames they can have this knowledge delivered if enough demand exists?<br />
4. Is is supposed to be some kind of secret seminars for people who are making millions next day and that&#8217;s why it cost so much or is it more like to cover expenses kind of price?</p>
<p>On a side note, I have a feeling that videos will be stolen next day.</p>
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		<title>By: DBJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In essence you are opting-out of SilverLight. Which I approve. 
HTML+CSS+AJAX+JavaScript are much easier to use and much more productive, to arrive to the same results as SilverLight solutions are. With the added benefit of being much more browser agnostic. OS agnostic, and device agnostic.

Fair warning: Leave now or read further for geeky comment.

And then I do not approve (like anybody is asking for my approval ;o) of ExtJS. Why? Because it is pulling/pushing, javascript into the Class based OO, v.s. the functional OO on which JavaScript is based. Consequently to that I use jQuery. And its UI library. And jQuery plugins.

Regards: DBJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In essence you are opting-out of SilverLight. Which I approve.<br />
HTML+CSS+AJAX+JavaScript are much easier to use and much more productive, to arrive to the same results as SilverLight solutions are. With the added benefit of being much more browser agnostic. OS agnostic, and device agnostic.</p>
<p>Fair warning: Leave now or read further for geeky comment.</p>
<p>And then I do not approve (like anybody is asking for my approval ;o) of ExtJS. Why? Because it is pulling/pushing, javascript into the Class based OO, v.s. the functional OO on which JavaScript is based. Consequently to that I use jQuery. And its UI library. And jQuery plugins.</p>
<p>Regards: DBJ</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Strong</title>
		<link>http://peterkellner.net/2010/05/04/lob-training-poll-using-extjs-dotnet-aspnet-mvc/#comment-27553</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would reach out to ExtJS to see if they would be willing to sponsor such a venue.  I know some of the guys over there and they have the stuff together.  I use asp.net MVC and extjs in my day to day and completely agree in the combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would reach out to ExtJS to see if they would be willing to sponsor such a venue.  I know some of the guys over there and they have the stuff together.  I use asp.net MVC and extjs in my day to day and completely agree in the combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 16:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joksa - wondering if you think it would be worth paying for videos like this?

Oliver - Tell me more!  Have you been researching offering a class, or going to a class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joksa &#8211; wondering if you think it would be worth paying for videos like this?</p>
<p>Oliver &#8211; Tell me more!  Have you been researching offering a class, or going to a class?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 08:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! That will be interesting. I have also been researching in that line - I&#039;ve seen a lot and wish to see more - in a complete and focused (end-to-end) way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! That will be interesting. I have also been researching in that line &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen a lot and wish to see more &#8211; in a complete and focused (end-to-end) way.</p>
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		<title>By: joksa</title>
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		<dc:creator>joksa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 08:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please consider to make some videos with these lectures, so people out of US can see how its done.
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please consider to make some videos with these lectures, so people out of US can see how its done.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Mats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 05:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for a Swedish venue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for a Swedish venue!</p>
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